• Derek Leebaert on FDR’s Four Key Lieutenants and the World They Made

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    In this episode, Andrew talks to the author of Unlikely Heroes, Derek Leebaert, about Franklin Roosevelt’s four key lieutenants—Harold Ickes, Harry Hopkins, Frances Perkins, and Henry Wallace—and the radically new world that they collectively made.

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    Derek Leebaert won the biennial 2020 Truman Book Award for Grand Improvisation. His previous books include Magic and Mayhem: The Delusions of American Foreign Policy from Korea to Afghanistan and To Dare and to Conquer: Special Operations and the Destiny of Nations, both Washington Post Best Books of the Year. He was a founding editor of the Harvard/MIT journal International Security and is a cofounder of the National Museum of the U.S. Army. He holds a D.Phil from Oxford and lives in Washington, D.C.


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