Jericho Brown on Church, Desire, and Learning How to Change
In Conversation with Jordan Kisner on the Thresholds Podcast
This is Thresholds, a series of conversations with writers about experiences that completely turned them upside down, disoriented them in their lives, changed them, and changed how and why they wanted to write. Hosted by Jordan Kisner, author of the new essay collection, Thin Places, and brought to you by Lit Hub Radio.
In this episode, Jordan Kisner talks to poet Jericho Brown about church; about love, longing, and desire; about oration; and about learning how to change, and learning what doesn’t change.
From the episode:
Jericho Brown: Obviously writing “Another Elegy,” the realization is quite different from the realizations that I make when I’m writing a poem like “The Tradition.” I realize in writing that poem just how concerned I am with the natural world, and I also realize that people are a part of the natural world. And so it’s just like we don’t want to get rid of all our trees, it’s a good idea for us not to get rid of all our Black people. Do you understand what I’m saying? It’s a good idea for me not to be at risk. So those are the kinds of things that I think I figure out while I’m writing the poem.
If people had a better understanding of that, they would be further along their journey, or they would go do what they really want to do. A lot of people think they want to be a poet, but they really just want to say something because they have something to say, and it’s great to have something to say, but I don’t think that’s really where you ought to be if you’re a poet. I don’t write because I have something to say; I write because I don’t know what I have to say. I want to figure it out. And it changes all the time. If I keep getting older, the way I feel about things will indeed change.
Original music by Lora-Faye Åshuvud and art by Kirstin Huber.
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Jericho Brown is author of the The Tradition (Copper Canyon 2019), for which he won the Pulitzer Prize. He is the recipient of fellowships from the Guggenheim Foundation, the Radcliffe Institute for Advanced Study at Harvard, and the National Endowment for the Arts, and he is the winner of the Whiting Award. Brown’s first book, Please (New Issues 2008), won the American Book Award. His second book, The New Testament (Copper Canyon 2014), won the Anisfield-Wolf Book Award. His third collection, The Tradition won the Paterson Poetry Prize and was a finalist for the National Book Award and the National Book Critics Circle Award. His poems have appeared in The Bennington Review, Buzzfeed, Fence, jubilat, The New Republic, The New York Times, The New Yorker, The Paris Review, TIME magazine, and several volumes of The Best American Poetry. He is the director of the Creative Writing Program and a professor at Emory University.