Patricia J. Williams on Martha S. Jones’s The Trouble of Color
In Conversation with Michael Kelleher for the Windham-Campbell Prizes Podcast
The Windham-Campbell Prizes Podcast features a series of conversations with past and present Windham-Campbell Prize winners about their favorite books and plays. Hosted by Michael Kelleher.
Mike chats with Patricia Williams, recipient of a 2025 Windham-Campbell Prize for Nonfiction, about Martha S. Jones’s The Trouble of Color—and about what Martha was like as a first-year law student in Patricia’s class.
Reading list:
The Trouble of Color by Martha S. Jones • The Alchemy of Race and Rights by Patricia J. Williams • Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemmings: An American Controversy by Annette Gordon-Reed • Gone with the Wind by Margaret Mitchell • Passing by Nella Larsen
For a full episode transcript, click here.
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Patricia J. Williams was born in Boston, Massachusetts. A longtime former “Diary of a Mad Law Professor” columnist for The Nation, Williams is also the author of six books of nonfiction including most recently The Miracle of the Black Leg. A MacArthur fellow (2000), Williams is the James L. Dohr Professor of Law Emerita at Columbia Law School. She is currently a University Distinguished Professor of Law and Humanities at Northeastern University.
The Windham-Campbell Prizes Podcast is a program of The Windham-Campbell Prizes, which are administered by Yale University Library’s Beinecke Rare Book and Manuscript Library.
