This week on The Maris Review, E. Jean Carroll joins Maris Kreizman to discuss her explosive new book, What Do We Need Men For?: A Modest Proposal, now available from St. Martin’s Press.

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This episode was recorded at the 2019 Miami Book Fair.

E. Jean Carroll: I’d get out of the car, and I would ask people, “What do we need men for?” The answers were astonishing. First of all, everyone had an opinion. [laughs] It was great.

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On trying to control the narrative about Trump:

Maris: Tell me about how you decided to come out with the revelation about Trump in the book?

Carroll: He was just on the list. I wrote down a list very quickly, and he was on the list, and when I got to him I wrote about it.

Maris: You did get to control the narrative a little bit more.

Carroll: Totally. Or at least what I thought. None of us can control anything. But I thought I could. If I could get it on the page and get it in print, and if I had it fact-checked not only by New York magazine but also the publisher of the book. Every fact was checked, which is important. Of course, we control nothing.

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On harassing Roger Ailes:

Maris: The other part of the book is that you have had some wonderful relationships and wonderful friendships. You harassed Roger Ailes.

Carroll: I harassed him every single day. I harassed that poor man up and down. If I saw him coming towards me down the hall, I’d say, “ROGER, MAKE A MUSCLE!” And he’d make a muscle. Or I’d say, “Roger, twirl. I like that suit.” We were very good friends. I teased him and teased him.

I had no idea. When I worked with him—he gave me a TV show, so of course I adored him—he was very much in love with Beth Tilson, who he later married. I didn’t see the Roger that everyone else saw. I saw the great leader, and I saw the man who basically took America and tore it.

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That was Roger. Roger was the one who created the divide in this country, and I don’t know how we’re ever going to get it together again.

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E. Jean Carroll writes the Ask E. Jean column in ELLE magazine. It is the longest, currently-running advice column in American publishing. Her new book is called What Do We Need Men For?

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