On WWII Nazis in Poland:
A Conversation with Philippe Sands
Introducing a New WWII Podcast Hosted by Historian James Holland and Comedian Al Murray
We Have Ways of Making You Talk is a weekly show exploring the war in close up, hosted by comedian Al Murray and historian James Holland as they discuss all matters Second World War. James and Al have a stunning knowledge of their subject, but don’t expect a linear narrative. The boys love a tangent and a forgotten tale, as they roam down forgotten front lines, cast new villains, and make the case for unlikely heroes.
In this week’s episode, Philippe Sands, author of East West Street and The Ratline, joins Al and James to discuss the extraordinary wartime stories he unearthed in his research, particularly Hans Frank, the Nazi ruler of German-occupied Poland, and Frank’s son Niklas, who once said: “I don’t agree with the death penalty, except for my father.”
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Philippe Sands is an international lawyer and a professor of law at University College London. He is the author of Lawless World and Torture Team and is a frequent commentator on CNN and the BBC World Service. Sands lectures around the world and has taught at New York University and been a visiting professor at the University of Toronto, the University of Melbourne, and the Université de Paris I (Sorbonne). In 2003 he was appointed a Queen’s Counsel. He lives in London, England.